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| May 29, 2006, 13:13 | |
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Rhovanion
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I think time travel is theoretically possible. Stories about killing your mother in the past would create a paradox, I simply don't believe, because the past doesn't affect the future. As a matter of fact, if you choose to go into the past, it becomes the present, therefore everything you remember in the future didn't happened yet. And the future may look like you think it is but it will never be the same, as rolling a dice never gives the same result. Some people think that if you roll a dice and it gives for example "4", and you go into the past and roll it again it will again be a "4". Why should it? it's random. It's a matter a parallel universes. I just wanted to share this.  ps: I don't believe in time travel to the future. ____________ |
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| May 29, 2006, 13:21 | |
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DTM
Earthling! 821 posts 
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Perhaps it was a loaded dice?
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| May 29, 2006, 14:00 | |
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PEader
お前はもう死んでいる 1486 posts 
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Quoting Rhovanion: ps: I don't believe in time travel to the future. omg ____________ I see 57,005 people. |
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| May 29, 2006, 14:22 | |
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Oyster
Creative Incontinence 129 posts 
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so you go back and are stuck ad fcuk!¬
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| May 29, 2006, 22:09 | |
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Sandman
F3n!x0r 1194 posts 
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Well I suppose time travel to the future is much easier to achieve than to the past, since all you need is a fast bike. Or you could freeze yourself, but that's cheating. But when you go back and kill your mom, a parallel dimension would be created (or not so created, as just that one followed, since the thing about parallel universes is that everything, every possibility, is happening at the same time). But then a question comes to mind, about your dice. Consider two situations where in both all things, material and not material, are exactly the same and at the same place. And then the dice are rolled in exactly the same way. Will the outcome be exactly the same? If so, there is no such thing as coincidence or chance. :\/ ____________ BennuWiki Yes, my avatar has grey borders in IE (so get a decent browser) ROOFLEZ ROOFLEZ |
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| May 29, 2006, 22:49 | |
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Eckolin
Quite Whiskered 388 posts 
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I'd post philosophical thoughts here, but I'll just say this: Maybe getting the same result is just a coincidence. ____________ Maker of Games... Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Need help with coding? I probably wrote something similar. |
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| May 30, 2006, 01:05 | |
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Rhovanion
Exterminated 666 posts |
Quoting Sandman: Well I suppose time travel to the future is much easier to achieve than to the past, since all you need is a fast bike. Or you could freeze yourself, but that's cheating. Even if you roll it the same way, it is still random. The chance the wind, or rubbinnnnn on the table is the same in those 2 parallel dimensions is not that high.
But when you go back and kill your mom, a parallel dimension would be created (or not so created, as just that one followed, since the thing about parallel universes is that everything, every possibility, is happening at the same time). But then a question comes to mind, about your dice. Consider two situations where in both all things, material and not material, are exactly the same and at the same place. And then the dice are rolled in exactly the same way. Will the outcome be exactly the same? If so, there is no such thing as coincidence or chance. :\/ ____________ |
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| May 30, 2006, 03:24 | |
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Sandman
F3n!x0r 1194 posts
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Quoting Rhovanion: Quoting Sandman: Well I suppose time travel to the future is much easier to achieve than to the past, since all you need is a fast bike. Or you could freeze yourself, but that's cheating. Even if you roll it the same way, it is still random. The chance the wind, or rubbinnnnn on the table is the same in those 2 parallel dimensions is not that high.But when you go back and kill your mom, a parallel dimension would be created (or not so created, as just that one followed, since the thing about parallel universes is that everything, every possibility, is happening at the same time). But then a question comes to mind, about your dice. Consider two situations where in both all things, material and not material, are exactly the same and at the same place. And then the dice are rolled in exactly the same way. Will the outcome be exactly the same? If so, there is no such thing as coincidence or chance. :\/ Quoting Sandman: Consider two situations where in both all things, material and not material, are exactly the same and at the same place.
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| May 30, 2006, 10:51 | |
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Oyster
Creative Incontinence 129 posts
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You wouldn't be able to kil lyour mom, cos other wise it would have already happened. Everything will get in your way to stop you doing so. ____________ |
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| May 30, 2006, 11:31 | |
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Rhovanion
Exterminated 666 posts |
I think chance exists because not everything is exactly the same. Chance exists because situations and time are different. Chance is merely the choice you make between 2 or more different situations, hence if two worlds are exactly the same the effects on the world will be the same. That does not implement that your life is already planned or determined by someone/something else. As you make choices you float through an unknown space-time continuum getting to universes that are parallel to the one you are now in. You are constantly hopping in and out of existence in a universe. That would explain feelings like déjà vus. You accidentically wind up in a universe you've been before and you somehow "notice" it. The feeling lasts as long you are in this universe. Another feeling is that a static place (e.g. your bedroom) "feels" different every day. even when it is the same day, and the same weather. Practically it is impossible to go to the past, but theoretically it should be possible. Maybe the past and the present are the same? The only thing that doesn't exist is the future. You can only predict it, but it doesn't exist yet. If anyone knows, please give me the numbers of the winning lottery. ____________ |
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| May 30, 2006, 14:31 | |
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PEader
お前はもう死んでいる 1486 posts
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I am currently travelling through time into the future.
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| May 30, 2006, 17:14 | |
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Sandman
F3n!x0r 1194 posts
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Let me guess...60 seconds per minute?
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| May 30, 2006, 20:28 | |
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PEader
お前はもう死んでいる 1486 posts
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Quoting Sandman: Let me guess...60 seconds per minute? Yes. How did you know? Are you that pervert in number 52 that watches me undress every night? ____________ I see 57,005 people. |
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| May 30, 2006, 21:04 | |
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Deadmaster
Where is Johnny? 458 posts |
/dm steals petars batman underpanties
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| May 30, 2006, 23:59 | |
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yonni
None 420 posts |
Time travel is simply not possible. Fact. This is because of the speed of light. Time exists because of it, we experience time because we all see things when the speed of light dictates. Therefore, the only way to travel through time (faster than 60 secs per min) is to travel faster than the speed of light, which is not possible. Light is the fastest thing possible. The one law that cannot be broken is that we cannot tavel faster than the speed of light, and therefore cannot time travel. I can't quite remember why this is, but it is definately true, if it were not, then it could theoretically distroy the whole universe. If you don't believe me that the speed of light cannot be broken, read any decent book on einstein (whos name, literally translated, means one-stone). As for the thing about the dice, I have a theory. It may seem fatalistic, but when you take into account our non-ability to time travel, it's not: Everything that has ever happened could not have happened any other way, there is no such thing as random. Take it down to sub-microscopic levels if you want to. Things happen (including our thoughts, movements and anything else living things do) because of the relationship between one particle (however small) and another (or some others). Those others, were in that state because of something else, and that something else, beacuse of another thing, and so on. This means that everything that will ever happen was decided when the universe was created (however you believe it was). If your still confused about my explanation of how your thoughts are all pre-determined, think on this: Our thoughts are simply chemical reactions (or similar). Chemical reactions happen when two molecules collide with enough force and with the right orientation. What made them collide in that way? If it were to happen again, would it not happen in exactly the same way again? Of course it would. Because the conditions would be exactly the same. The orientations of the molecules would be exactly the same. You may not like the idea, but I see it as being true. Now, this is not fatalistic, because, as far as we are concerned, nothing in the future has happened yet, and therefore, to us, it may well be random what will happen. Our reality is our perception of things. Our thoughts are still our thoughts, this theory only states that, if it were possible for them to happen again, they would. It is also impossible to use this theory to accurately predict the future. Even using an awsome super-computer. This is because we would need to map out the entire universe to sub-microscopic levels digitally. You may think that this (given enough time) is theoretically possible, however, it is not. This is because even after you input the first pieces of data into that huge computer, they would have changed. They would have moved, changed temperature, orientation, whatever. But they would have already changed. The only way for it to be possible would be to instantaneously have every bit of the universe mapped out without any sort of time delay, however small. Which is impossible, everything takes time, however little. Everything takes time because nothing can match or go faster than the speed of light. End of. Time travel is not possible. If you think you can travel back in time (or forward faster than everyone else), try prove me wrong by doing it. But I warn you, you'll waste your lift trying. ____________ |
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| May 31, 2006, 02:00 | |
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Sandman
F3n!x0r 1194 posts
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Using the same man's theories, Einstein's, you can conclude time travel is possible when reaching near lightspeed (and go back where you came from). Because your time goes slower relative to that of where you came from, you end up in the 'future' (this meaning: for you say 1 minute has passed, while for where you came from it was 1 year).
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| May 31, 2006, 03:06 | |
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Fiona
games are terrible -9616558 posts 
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Quoting Sandman: Using the same man's theories, Einstein's, you can conclude time travel is possible when reaching near lightspeed (and go back where you came from). Because your time goes slower relative to that of where you came from, you end up in the 'future' (this meaning: for you say 1 minute has passed, while for where you came from it was 1 year). Pwn. ____________ laffo |
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| May 31, 2006, 11:25 | |
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Rhovanion
Exterminated 666 posts |
Yonni, that is only a statement using a paradigm that is widely enhanced during the 20th and 21st century. Why people are afraid of paradigm shifts? Just because the ontologic, pluralistic view of these Platonias are new, doesn't mean they cannot be epistemologically accepted?
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| May 31, 2006, 12:38 | |
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Moogle
Enterprise Edition 239 posts 
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There is nothing more boring than these discussions with people who all know something but noone really knows everything, and then just all say what they know. There is no glue. At least Rhovanion knows how to obfuscate his points decently. ____________ I am Moogle and I approve this message. Quoting (. )( .) in the Bugs topic: Everytime I login the threads with new posts are by Dennis.
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| May 31, 2006, 12:55 | |
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Rhovanion
Exterminated 666 posts |
So you think I'd be a good politician? Keep in mind that my previous post absolutely meant nothing.
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| May 31, 2006, 14:11 | |
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TheMI3
Starving Artist 520 posts 
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Yonni,you basically just described Chaos Theory. Which is what I believe in. Although it is my opinion that Time Travel is probably possible somehow. For all we know people are going back in time and changing the past constantly and thus changing our memories and the way we react. I quite like the idea of deja vu being you moving into another dimension. ____________ This is my Blog. There are many like it, but this one is mine! (Now actual posts on it) http://www.chiefillustrator.com |
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| May 31, 2006, 14:45 | |
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Rhovanion
Exterminated 666 posts |
maybe everything you remember happened in the same dimension. The moments you don't remember happened in another dimension and are therefore impossible to track. (there is no link in the brain). i.e. what did you eat for lunch on 12th October 1993? + Did you enjoy that day or was it a horrible day? And if you say "it's false, if you have a diary you remember everything"... i still think there are things in your diary you don't remember happening or even remember written down. ____________ |
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| May 31, 2006, 14:50 | |
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Woody
HEAD BLACK MAN 722 posts 
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Interdimensional explanations are always so much more appealing.
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| May 31, 2006, 18:52 | |
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Moogle
Enterprise Edition 239 posts
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Personally, I'm more of a string theory person.
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| May 31, 2006, 20:04 | |
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Sandman
F3n!x0r 1194 posts
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Wouldn't mind doing a Master in that theory.
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