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September 5, 2009, 19:25
Ariel Yust
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291 posts

Recently I was chatting with a 17 yrs old kid from holland, just before he ran offline he left me a messege saying that I'm : "a hypocrit, narrowminded, unbelievably brainwashed meatbag of the government", then he added that I'm a Terrorist and because people like me we have wars in the world and as long as I live we will allways have ongoing wars... :S

okay I laughted at his messege because this guy doesn't know what his talking about, his too small to understand and didn't live throught a war or any battle in his life, never his life was in danger or anything so he had to take a gun and protect him self and stuff.

but then I talked with one of my friends who clearly agreed with that kid saying that I'm a terrorist and that because of people like me we have wars :annoyed: here is where I get pissed off calling him a damn pussy and he goes offline crying like a baby... wtf? I say to my self...

all I was saying is that the latest war I was in was quit fun, I wouldn't be doing it again right but still it had its fun momments... I'm not enjoying killing and stuff I'm not a murderer... I went to the army to protect my family and friends that is all, no one brainwashed me or anything... I don't have a team of armed men in my basement waiting for my signal to hi-jack a plan or some thing...

but my friends words made me thing about something...
maybe... the world is devided to two general types of people - pussys and warriors? and those pussys think allt his rubbish about peacekeeping in the cost of giving ur enemy ur ass for probing... while warriors take arms and protect everyone...


ye people get killed in wars and much happends but does it make me a terrorist because I can agree that even if one enemy kid is dead for every 1000 enemy terrorists/soldiers then I rather go kill 100 enemy kids sp 1,000,000 enemys will die, and save my people? :S

what do you think about this? am I a terrorist ? am I the reason we have wars in the world ? :S does people just turned to be pussys? :what: I'm quit confused I never thought I be called a terrorist for being a patriot for my family and country ¬_¬

what the hell is going on here? :what:
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September 7, 2009, 03:08
joebeard
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In Deus Ex Invisible War, JC Denton mentions that the reason people have conflict is not because any side is inherently evil, but because they simply do not understand each other. This is a somewhat simplistic view in that although one could seemingly boil down many of the worlds bloodiest conflicts to opposing points of view; for example Communism vs Capitalism and the Vietnam War, or even out on a limb, the Arab-Israeli conflict. JC misses out an important part of the equation - power corrupts.

You're not an evil person or a terrorist for joining the army and learning to fight. You would be naive if you said that everything your army does is for the greater good, when in fact I can almost guarantee to you that your army is actually led by whatever provides the greatest economic boost to your country (or perhaps even to a select few people), but not evil. Don't forget that an army does not just wage wars - it also helps civilians, assists in recovery after natural disasters and other humanitarian operations.

My take on it is that in the end, we're human, and are all just as guilty from suffering the human condition.
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September 7, 2009, 03:18
joebeard
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I'd also like to add that perhaps a more widely applicable assumption would be that conflict is not caused by a lack of understanding between people, but more a lack of WANTING to understand.

The recent film District 9 embodies this point of view quite well. The main character - Wikus does not accept the alien 'prawns' as a people, until he is forced to interact with one, whereby he begins to realise that prawns have very humanlike traits, like fatherhood, love, comradeship and trust.

Perhaps if the politicians who wanted to wage wars saw first hand the damage they cause, we wouldn't have as many.
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September 7, 2009, 10:48
Rovix
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It's all a game Ariel. The US bankers finance the isrealis AND the arabs so they take up arms and shoot at eachother. because every bullet you fire or a bullet your enemy fires is payed with US dollars, and the capitalists profit from that. Every time you pull the trigger some rich bastard who rapes children gets another $ on his account. There are no good and bad as you can see. Every paying man is a capitalist's friend. Business men here laugh how you people pay them just to kill each other. It is more fucked up than you can realise. It is FUBAR!

So do not fear, you're way too unimportant for the leaders to be the reason there are wars. But you pay taxes so the government will not let you die and will do whatever they can to protect you. because you are financially worth it to be protected. >_> All this noble shit is just what it i: shit. It's hollywood, fucking romantic, unreal and fake.

WarFormula = (Religion + money + power) * greediness;

[Edited on September 7, 2009 by Rovix]
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September 7, 2009, 13:26
Sandman
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The reason you say warriors are needed is because there are still warriors present in this world. What if there were no warriors? We would have more pussies. This not only sounds better, it is better. Warriors do nothing that improves the world, only pussies do this. Warriors are only needed to protect against other warriors.

Of course, utopia may never be reality, but one can hope and aspire.

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To clarify, in my story warriors are soldiers. Maybe also people who like violence? I'm not sure, didn't study for this.

[Edited on September 7, 2009 by Sandman]
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September 8, 2009, 11:56
DTM
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October 6, 2009, 00:31
PB
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My humble opinion: people who rant against (ex-)soldiers without knowing what they have fought for are fools.

People who rant to their friends who have fought in a war, seem fools to me. But since I don't know the complete background of that conversation, I would be a fool to rant against him (following my own logic which I rethorically explained above).

Surely global peace would be great, but that's just not reality. There is always evil in the human kind, and people need to stand up against it. In many situations in history, people needed to fight for their freedom, or for those of others.

Random quote from the bible about war (just to feed my steriotype image around here):
Matthew 24:6 (this is a part of a speach from Jesus)
"And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet."
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October 6, 2009, 09:59
Dennis
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If people want to execute me because I don't stand up and fight for some silly retard who's been manipulated by the oil lobby to ask shit from me, then so be it!
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October 7, 2009, 00:10
PB
Defender of the faith
630 posts

I agree with Dennis, in that sense that I would not fight a war with or for the wrong reasons. Although I'd probably would try to avoid being executed (could always rebel within the army you fight perhaps? Come on! Be a little creative, it's your live you have to save in this situation! :) ).
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October 7, 2009, 17:10
Dennis
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I'll make a hole in the ground and create a paradise there. You can only enter if your heart is pure and pacifistic like PB or me. Those who carry weapons to "protect" others cannot enter it. They have to stay in their dusty land of blood and pain!
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October 8, 2009, 13:09
Ariel Yust
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291 posts

LOOOOOOOLZ XD

some intresting opinions we have here =]

I must agree that living in a bubble probably is realy fun.
but in reality if u don't fight then they will kill you and then no one realy cares what u think... if u dont resist the better - for them.

u can say u don't care you don't see them, they will take ur stuff ur hole and murder you if needed too... you forget that you speak like that because you live a good life, you have everything and no one tries to attack you.

if your country was in war all the time you guys where thinking diffrently maybe even more similar to me.

soldiers are made to serve the country... in any way needed for it, im not saying what the goverment is doing is right... im saying that as a soldier everything you do by the goverment will is right for the goverment itself if u like ir or not...

and people who done those things because they where made to do it... couldn't be blamed they where following orders.
people who add to the orders and overdo them or create there own orders are blamed for there actions and its a crime.

I don't know how about you, I'v served in the army to protect my family and friends and our wars doesn't happend because of oil but because of our will to defend our lands... and that is why the people give support for the army, because they can see, feel and breath the outcomes of this protection, they see the enemy they know the enemy and they know the army is there to protect them.

terrorism is a crime and should not be tolerented.

remember that soldiers are 18-21 yrs old... they are just kids that where send to protect you and your country, at least that's how it is where I live.
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October 14, 2009, 10:48
Dennis
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Quoting Ariel Yust:
LOOOOOOOLZ XD

some intresting opinions we have here =]

I must agree that living in a bubble probably is realy fun.
but in reality if u don't fight then they will kill you and then no one realy cares what u think... if u dont resist the better - for them.

u can say u don't care you don't see them, they will take ur stuff ur hole and murder you if needed too... you forget that you speak like that because you live a good life, you have everything and no one tries to attack you.

Attack: is striking. If you strike you attack, you do not defend. Defend is evading, blocking and repelling or reflecting their arms. Using laser guided missles or your own technology is not defence, it is offence.

Quoting Ariel Yust:
if your country was in war all the time you guys where thinking diffrently maybe even more similar to me.

If we were thinking more similar to you, our countries would be at war yes.

Quoting Ariel Yust:
soldiers are made to serve the country... in any way needed for it, im not saying what the goverment is doing is right... im saying that as a soldier everything you do by the goverment will is right for the goverment itself if u like ir or not...

Why do you want to serve a country? You never serve a country. You only serve a group of people. I cannot serve the grass in my backyard. It is awfully silent to me.


Quoting Ariel Yust:
and people who done those things because they where made to do it... couldn't be blamed they where following orders.
people who add to the orders and overdo them or create there own orders are blamed for there actions and its a crime.

So if someone orders you to kill a woman and her child, and you say "yes master" you are a good person, and when you say "I refuse!" you created your own order and that is a crime?

Quoting Ariel Yust:
I don't know how about you, I'v served in the army to protect my family and friends and our wars doesn't happend because of oil but because of our will to defend our lands...

A: Why did you cut that little baby's throat and raped that woman?
B: i was defending my country lololollolol!

Guess they don't broadcast crimes by your own country in your country. it's kind of logical. "It is not wise", according to them. They filter out cruel details about your own, and accent the cruel details of the enemy making them look like a "monster".

The internet is more reliable than any other media. Since it is world wide it lies closer to the actual truth, but if you want to live your life in denial it is your choice of course. Just don't throw it away.

Quoting Ariel Yust:
and that is why the people give support for the army, because they can see, feel and breath the outcomes of this protection, they see the enemy they know the enemy and they know the army is there to protect them.
ddefend the land against what? Some idiots with semtex in their sandals. Oh yeah let's use laser guided missles against them and wtf not. The more kills the better. Their lives don't matter. They're just arabs. Do you know what genocide is?

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.

and is considered a terrible war crime. It is what the nazis did to jews in WW2. It seems Israel is doing the same to the arabs now. Before you start to say "they are doing the same" let me tell you this: The attacker is the one who has least casualties.

Quoting Ariel Yust:
terrorism is a crime and should not be tolerented.

Terrorism is a form of resistance. it is a desperate act to damage as much as possible with as little tools as possible. every time you say something IS something I wonder. How do you know for sure? Do you think it over? Just because everyone is SAYING something IS, it doesn't mean it actually IS. We used to think the earth was flat. This way of thinking is ignorant imo.

Quoting Ariel Yust:
remember that soldiers are 18-21 yrs old... they are just kids that where send to protect you and your country, at least that's how it is where I live.


Maybe you need to open your eyes a bit and look elsewhere. Africa for instance:



I think 21 yrs old is not "just a kid" these are maybe 10 years old.
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October 14, 2009, 16:55
DTM
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Imagine if Texas or somewhere in USA was magically transported next to Iraq or in the middle east area. Can you imagine an instant war not starting? I think if anyone in the west had their country placed in that situation they might well start thinking differently.

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So if someone orders you to kill a woman and her child, and you say "yes master" you are a good person, and when you say "I refuse!" you created your own order and that is a crime?


That would be a war crime and the person giving the order would be acting illegally right? So the correct thing would be to ignore that order and report the person giving it. Unless of course woman and child are both strapped with bomb belts.


on this subject, does anyone know if this is real:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v … feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v … feature=related
It seems almost like a parody... but maybe not. :S
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October 14, 2009, 18:42
Ariel Yust
Bloodcoughted Yozik
291 posts

Dennis ur so funny man, you are radicaling what I say.

Ordering a soldier to kill innocent civiliants is a crime and it is tought as one of the first laws that he must never obey to - he must not execute the order and must inform a higher rank about it, but if he does execute then he gets punished.

serving your country means that you serve to protect everyone in that country and joking about serving ur grass that's abit stupid man... maybe if yar smoke grass then it can be true but it has no connection to this discussion.

about saying that the attacker is the one that has less injured people, the amount of injured people depends mostly of there force's level of fighting skills, fighting gear, quantity and quality.

saying that even if someone weaker then you attacks you but when you answer him back it makes you the attacker because u sustain less damage then him, makes no sense at all.
Its like saying that nazis where the defenders because they sustained higher number of causalities even when they actually used terror alot in there campaigns.

terrorism is an act to bring terror into people by killing innocent brutaly and bringing fear into others.
you must have been confused with partizans.

the whole picture is that Israel can wipe and flat whole gaza strip without anyone realy caring (because no arab country realy care) in something like 5 hours.

If Israel wanted to kill all palastines they wouldn't be giving them food,water,electricity,medicine,internet,phones,cloths,works,money,diplomatic powe and most importently - land.

If you didn't know but after the war of independance when all arabs flee from Israel our forces caught them and told them that its okay they can get back and live with us.
they where not considered enemys and infect we and palastines where close as brothers untill the first intifada came and screwed everything.

if you look at Israelian culture and paintings from those years you will see how we think highly of them because they where so close to mother earth and grew fruits and vagtibles.

and another thing, arabs have so much land today and so much influance in the world, that a small country like Israel must be a topic for discussion everyday... this country is so smaller then a most citys in europe.
you can cross it in 6 hours with a bus! and 4 with a train.

and what you don't know is that soldiers are not allowed to do anything to arabs, and if you where serving in the IDF you would know that IDF protects arabs from Israelian civilians because as a soldier you can do nothing then just show presence in the area.

ofcourse if you give soldiers a good reason to shoot you if you carry firearms or molotob coctails that they usualy tend to throw on cars on the road then you will get shot and everyone will be glad doing so.

for conclusion - even the palastines doesn't want a country, ask them if u don't belive, they had millions of propositions to create there own place... they don't want that... because that will take off the free help they get from countrys, they could long time ago create factorys and use all that money to prosper then build weapons and lose human lives to a stupid conflict.
this is most conviniant to iran syria and lebanon because they pay palastines to hate us...

if Israel would have wanted palastines to die the world wouldn't know about it...we are not blood thirsty maniacs, we are normal people like all of u that just stuck in a land with arabs, and the problem is that we are Jews and everyone hates Jews :P
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October 17, 2009, 00:44
PB
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I don't hate Jews. They are God's people. But that is of course the only reason why I don't hate Jews ;) (that is a joke)

And I don't think I ever communicated with grass.

I once heared that when plants get damaged, they spread some kind of chemical into the ground, causing surrounding plants to strengthen. But I'm not sure if that's true.

I like it that I live in peace, but I know just about everybody around here takes it for granted now.... Hopefully we do not sleep when the inevitable strikes. I don't see any reason why history would not repeat itself. Be it hopefully not in our lifetime.

[Edited on October 17, 2009 by PB]
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October 18, 2009, 23:58
Dennis
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If a war ever starts here (unlikeley in my lifespan) I would probably join the resistance to fight the big companies and the large armies with guarilla attacks. Like in those movies and Red Faction Guerilla ^_^ It sounds so cool. :O
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October 19, 2009, 21:12
Htbaa
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Moron.
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October 22, 2009, 15:02
PEader
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Quoting Dennis:
If a war ever starts here (unlikeley in my lifespan) I would probably join the resistance to fight the big companies and the large armies with guarilla attacks. Like in those movies and Red Faction Guerilla ^_^ It sounds so cool. :O

Let's do this.
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October 22, 2009, 20:05
Ariel Yust
Bloodcoughted Yozik
291 posts

Quoting Htbaa:
Moron.
LOOOOOOL :lol:

talking about red faction... I have no idea how come they exist so up in the opened so close to the goverment's bases and yet with all the tech and money and everything you win with them the game... which is quit stupid... and boring :what:
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October 23, 2009, 15:00
Dennis
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I was kidding here lol. Don't take everything i say so serious in an off topic forum. Where is the world coming too if everyone is being so serious about all that shit.

Quoting Ariel Yust:
talking about red faction... I have no idea how come they exist so up in the opened so close to the goverment's bases and yet with all the tech and money and everything you win with them the game... which is quit stupid... and boring :what:


Anyway yeah well, it's not "logic" how they are settled close to the EDF (Earth Defense Force), moreover: if 1000 soldiers follow you and they see you enter a safe zone they just leave you alone lol. they do not enter the safe zone ways.

But I just like to smash down the buildings and shit.

Anways enough off topic.

I'm not that interested in all this warrior stuff. Warriors and knights are good to protect others and stuff, but I do not like to pick a side. I just pick the side someone puts me.

People in the West are pussies. I agree. If I had to choose I wouldn't live in this boring silly place anyway. :groar: I just don't want my life to be in danger either.

If I would suddenly be a soldier in a war and people aim at me trying to kill me, I would probably do the same. It's their life or mine. War is not about right/wrong. It's just a point of view. If we were born in Germany in 1921, we'd probably have fought alongside the nazis. You cannot ever convict a soldier, he's following orders. Don't you agree?
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October 24, 2009, 13:04
PB
Defender of the faith
630 posts

Moron. :P

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People in the West are pussies. I agree. If I had to choose I wouldn't live in this boring silly place anyway. I just don't want my life to be in danger either.

I disagree. Many of us are spoiled, but still there are enough people who are willing to risk their life in the army to fight for freedom in other countries. At least I've met some. I just do think that no one really expects to be confronted with war near home.

If you want to put your life in danger, why not do some voluntary work in Africa? That's what I'll do next summer. Really exciting, tons of risks there and you also have the opertunity to do something good for people that have nothing. :P

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If I would suddenly be a soldier in a war and people aim at me trying to kill me, I would probably do the same. It's their life or mine. War is not about right/wrong. It's just a point of view. If we were born in Germany in 1921, we'd probably have fought alongside the nazis. You cannot ever convict a soldier, he's following orders. Don't you agree?


No, I disagree. You're responsible for your own deeds. I do agree that in war, different rules apply.

[Edited on October 24, 2009 by PB]
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October 24, 2009, 13:27
Ariel Yust
Bloodcoughted Yozik
291 posts

Good Luck PB may you come back home safe and in one piece =] oh and allways wear rubber O_O you don't know where that would be usefull.
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October 25, 2009, 01:36
PB
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630 posts

Thanks :)

Well they do explain the rubber thing on highschool, though I didn't ever get in to a practical situation where those would be usefull (by my own choice, I can add).
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October 26, 2009, 13:57
Dennis
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Quoting PB:
Thanks :)

Well they do explain the rubber thing on highschool, though I didn't ever get in to a practical situation where those would be usefull (by my own choice, I can add).


Basically, you mean you don't f.. *cough* have sex with a partner using a condom?

Ariel man it's cool man. We may have different opnions, but you still pwn the game creating world. You pwn man! You are a good guy. :praise:
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November 1, 2009, 17:45
Ariel Yust
Bloodcoughted Yozik
291 posts

I know Dennis I know HEHEHeheheh =D

thanks lol

PB = use the rubber and don't ask why =]

you have no idea what is going in there, what is the maintance level and if anyone changed oil to that thing... be ware de corridors :P
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