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| April 27, 2008, 02:22 | |
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Dennis
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I just realized that, the more you zoom out of somewhere the less you see moving. A street in New York is quite busy, but it looks quiet from 10 km height, or from outer space there does not seem to happen much on Earth at all! So in the end there is no movement at all and life does not exist anymore? Is this where time and space become one? I wanna know!
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| April 27, 2008, 10:11 | |
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DTM
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You've figured it out, now they'll have to kill you. And anyone else who reads this topic.
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| April 27, 2008, 12:51 | |
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Htbaa
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Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's there.
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| April 27, 2008, 13:25 | |
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yonni
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Space and time and pretty much one anyway. The reason why noone can move faster than the speed of light (or even at the speed of light) is because our maximum speed through spacetime is the speed of light, meaning that if you move, you go through time slower than someone who doesn't, therefore, if you were able to move at the speed of light, you wouldn't be moving though time at all.
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| April 28, 2008, 16:54 | |
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Yonni, are you saying Star Wars is science fiction?
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| April 28, 2008, 17:57 | |
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Fiona
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Quoting Htbaa: Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's there. is that you PB? ____________ laffo |
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| April 28, 2008, 17:57 | |
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Dennis
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@yonni: It is pointless to measure speed since speed only exist in our head. And it's the same as time. It is not physically present. It exists in our head. We define units of length and measure things by these units. Measurement doesn't exist. It's in our head! Our current speed is 135 miles per second in the galaxy, and God knows at what speed the galaxy moves in the galaxy cluster, and God also knows at what speed the cluster moves in a cluster group, and god also knows ... etc etc. If the universe was infinite, our speed would be infinite as well (since our speed is defined by a larger group of stars (galaxy) and groups of groups of stars (clusters), and even groups of groups of groups of stars (cluster groups), making speed to stop exist at all, and time stops existing too since it is connected to speed and time. It's all in our head. There's nothing real about it. This explains the boundlessness of the universe and the boundlessness of time. Existance has always been, and will always be. No point in thinking about it though. The human brain cannot comprehend without it's units of measurement! We are very dumb creatures.
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| April 28, 2008, 18:37 | |
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yonni
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You sound like you're in way over your head. You speak about space as if it were an entity ("it only exists in our head"), which it is not. If speed doesn't exist outside of our head then how come the speed of light plays such a crucial role in cosmology and physics at large. _The_ mimimum timescale between any sort of communication, particle, wave or other interaction between any origin and target defined by their relative speed, the distance between them and the speed of light. This is not something that we have fabricated in our minds and is as real as anything is unless you believe very premature theories on atomised universe or similar. You speak of the fact that our planet, solar system, galaxy, cluster, e.t.c is moving, and you assume that the effect is cumulative and assume that the effect is that it sums to infinity. This I find hard to believe due to the rotational nature of most of that motion and the fact that this makes in very likely that many of these huge velocities will cancel each other out. This is (of course) leaving out the point that (again, according to relativity) every fixed-velocity observer is on equal footing (and observer does not have to be a human). Each has equal right to say that they are "stationary" and another moving relative to them is "moving". It makes absolutely no difference to the physics involved. Much like moments (turning forces, to digress for a second), whichever point you take as being the pivot, your conclusion will always be the same as regards to the motion or lack thereof. "making speed to stop exist at all, and time stops existing too since it is connected to speed and time". This statement makes little sense. If speed were not to exist, this would make no difference at all. Everything would just stay in the same spatial location infinately through time. Yes, this would quite minimise the meaning and concept of time, but fortunately, we do not live in a universe where speed were not to exist, and so the issue does not come to a head. Say, for example, you meant that spatial dimensions don't exist, and meant to imply that therefore time also doesn't exist because of spacetime. This, too, would make little sense. Many recent theories predict the existence of _more_ spacetime dimensions, not less. There are a few that predict fewer dimensions (hologram theories predict that we experience three dimensions "projected" from a two-spatial-dimensional reality, much like a hologram is projected from a two-dimensional sheet), yet the concept of time remains unaffected. I don't think there is much point in thinking about there being no spatial dimensions, but I don't see why, in principle, that this should rule out temporal dimensions. ____________ |
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| April 28, 2008, 18:59 | |
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Dennis
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I still think our brain cannot ever understand something like the universe. Just like ants cannot comprehend the concept of a building. They just happen to dig under it and live there. They don't see the whole. They don't even know the stones they walk on are made by us. Maybe some large creatures are watching us right now and they care as much about us as we do about ants. ____________ Kwakkel |
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| April 28, 2008, 20:39 | |
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By saying larger creatures I must presume you're aware of me. I always thought you all just existed in my head.
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| April 29, 2008, 22:39 | |
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Dennis
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El Mao!
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| May 2, 2008, 08:46 | |
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Mezzmer
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some people think light isn't actually the fastest constant in the universe. it is indeed the fastest "non-physical" constant (so to speak) and when approached (and if possible broken) weird shit happens. it's kind of like that film Contact where you approach a dream world where you can find aliens who are living happily on the other side just going about their daily lives of making pieces of pottery and smoking the most amazing space-weed available in the universe. then they send psychic messages to people like dennis about how futile thinking about things like perspective are.
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