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| November 5, 2006, 21:59 | |
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OScoder
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Hi, If you have nothing better to do, may I suggest you take a look at this philisophical 'game'? You may find it quite interesting/disturbing! http://www.philosophersnet.com … atrix_start.htm ____________ om |
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| November 5, 2006, 23:14 | |
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Rincewind
programmer 1545 posts 
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Sorry, but it's total crap. These people need to keep their reality and movie fiction separated better. Also using the oh so well known internet card trick to prove 'interfacing' with the matrix is just hilarious. Spoiler for the slow under us: all of the earlier shown cards are replaced. About just as ficticious as religious ideas, conspiracy theories and what all. Get your feet back on the ground! 
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| November 5, 2006, 23:27 | |
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Dennis
どこかにいる 2092 posts 
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It's very nice :p Can someone tell me what they mean by "red herring" ? ____________ Kwakkel |
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| November 5, 2006, 23:28 | |
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Eckolin
Quite Whiskered 388 posts 
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Quoting Rincewind: Sorry, but it's total crap. These people need to keep their reality and movie fiction separated better. Or perhaps you need a more open mind.  Quote: Also using the oh so well known internet card trick to prove 'interfacing' with the matrix is just hilarious. Spoiler for the slow under us: all of the earlier shown cards are replaced. It only does that when you remember all the cards... ... Quote: About just as ficticious as religious ideas, conspiracy theories and what all. Get your feet back on the ground! Couldn't resist that, could you?  Quoting Dennis: Can someone tell me what they mean by "red herring" ? The red herring is this context probably means "a concept that is said to be important, but is really irrelevant". As for the question "Do you exist?", I claim Cogito Ergo Sum... [Edited on November 6, 2006 by Eckolin] ____________ Maker of Games... Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Need help with coding? I probably wrote something similar. |
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| November 6, 2006, 00:11 | |
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Frimkron
Frustrated Megalomaniac 703 posts 
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Wow - isn't it an amazing coincidence that the model of reality described in a popular sci-fi trilogy is the exact same one I'm actually living in in real life, right down to the name of the simulator! [Edited on November 6, 2006 by Frimkron] ____________ |
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| November 6, 2006, 00:11 | |
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DTM
Earthling! 821 posts 
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The bit where it says "your brain is in a vat of fluid...". Well, it currently is in a "vat" of fluid. Your head. So we knew that already. Does it really matter where this vat is located? As regards to knowing whether you are awake. Since I am going by the definition from my current state I can know for certain. Sleeping is all fuzzy. I have never been convinced I am awake while dreaming... (Have you?) As for being in the matrix, I think it would be biologically very difficult to interface with a brain. So the most likely matrix scenario would be where we are simulated on a computer with no physical form at all. Which is pretty much how it is! Except it's not a computer, rather than particles in circuitry we are particles in space. Well they're both in space so computer or not it's the same. We're still the same pattern irrespective of the medium. ____________ :o |
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| November 6, 2006, 00:15 | |
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Eckolin
Quite Whiskered 388 posts
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Quote: Wow - isn't it an amazing coincidence that the model of reality described in a popular sci-fi trilogy is the exact same one I'm actually living in in real life, right down to the name of the simulator! I can only assume there exists some deep law that necessitates such coincidences. Lets refer to this phenomenon as the Frimkron-effect. Quote: As for being in the matrix, I think it would be biologically very difficult to interface with a brain. You're presupposing that your 'real' brain looks like the one that is being simulated, and that the same laws of physics you are familiar with also apply outside the matrix. How would you know? [Edited on November 6, 2006 by Eckolin] ____________ Maker of Games... Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Need help with coding? I probably wrote something similar. |
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| November 6, 2006, 00:32 | |
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Dennis
どこかにいる 2092 posts
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Sometimes I am in a vat of fluid. Especially on saturdays, but then again I don't remember it the day after except for a serious headache.. So perhaps THAT is the matrix. And how would you know your brain is real or synthetic? If it is such an exact copy of a real brain you cannot know. Maybe you are android without you knowing it. Or a clone of the 'real you' who died of cancer 3 years ago, and they copied you except the memory of cancer is deleted, I bet you can not rememberevery single day of your past. Only fragments. Unless you know what you had for dinner on May 17th 1993? ____________ Kwakkel |
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| November 6, 2006, 00:57 | |
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DTM
Earthling! 821 posts
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Quote: You're presupposing that your 'real' brain looks like the one that is being simulated, and that the same laws of physics you are familiar with also apply outside the matrix. How would you know? I was taking it as the matrix film shows it.
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| November 6, 2006, 01:07 | |
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Eckolin
Quite Whiskered 388 posts
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Quoting DTM: Quote: You're presupposing that your 'real' brain looks like the one that is being simulated, and that the same laws of physics you are familiar with also apply outside the matrix. How would you know? I was taking it as the matrix film shows it. Fair enough... ____________ Maker of Games... Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Need help with coding? I probably wrote something similar. |
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| November 6, 2006, 19:37 | |
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OScoder
None 1338 posts |
Quote: I have never been convinced I am awake while dreaming... (Have you?) Sometimes I have been serverely worried about something I have said or something that has happened, only to realise half-way through the day that I dreamt it! In truth, in dreams themselves it is hard to be convinced of anything - they're sort of well, dream like (as in, you experience things as they come, even though you would most probably be trying to recollect precisely what substances you had consumed if you were in the 'real' world)!ANYWAY The point of this I guess is not to convince you about the matrix or anything, but the POSSIBILITY of how other realities, etc - the card trick, etc, are used as ANALOGIES to provoke thought (although I think plato did it much better with his story of the cave). Quote: About just as ficticious as religious ideas, conspiracy theories and what all. Get your feet back on the ground! In what way do you distinguish between ficticious idea and 'real' ones? Logic and sense or whatever only go so far: some would say there are many concievable realities! ____________ om |
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| November 7, 2006, 13:06 | |
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Dennis
どこかにいる 2092 posts
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There are realities you can not understand because a human brain too has its limits. Something a lot of people don't take in mind. Like a cat cannot understand a computer, you cannot understand there is nothing beyond the universe because beyond simply doesn't exist (because no light has ever reached there yet; the beginning of all time has't reached there yet)
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| November 21, 2006, 09:36 | |
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Mezzmer
Square-theorist 792 posts 
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Just for an experiment i will say: NO I DO NOT EXIST here so do you believe that i do exist and think for myself etc.? well actually i don't so HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA [Edited on November 21, 2006 by Mezzmer] ____________ |
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| November 23, 2006, 11:49 | |
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Dennis
どこかにいる 2092 posts
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Quoting unknown entity: Just for an experiment i will say: Where did this post come from? Who posted this? Certainly not from someone who exists I persume! NO I DO NOT EXIST here so do you believe that i do exist and think for myself etc.? well actually i don't so HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA  [Edited on November 23, 2006 by Dennis] ____________ Kwakkel |
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| December 3, 2006, 22:26 | |
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OScoder
None 1338 posts |
Quote: Where did this post come from? Who posted this? Certainly not from someone who exists I persume! Perhaps you are simply imagining it? But then you could say it does exist - within your imagination... ____________ om |
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| December 3, 2006, 23:28 | |
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raverdave
Don't Give A F*CK 155 posts 
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As Long as it feels like my cock is REALLY being sucked,i couldnt give a fuck if i existed or not at the time
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| December 4, 2006, 09:44 | |
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Dennis
どこかにいる 2092 posts
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Quoting raverdave: As Long as it feels like my cock is REALLY being sucked,i couldnt give a fuck if i existed or not at the time if your cock is currently being sucked you cannot give someone a fuck... so true.
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| December 4, 2006, 17:45 | |
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Sandman
F3n!x0r 1194 posts 
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Not according to a certain quote.
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