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| June 25, 2008, 20:16 | |
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Rincewind
programmer 1545 posts 
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A follow-up thread for this older thread. My ID card, which dates back to 2003, will expire in a couple of months, and I will have to get a new one. After already being obliged to carry an ID card for some years now, it has been taken one step further - all new cards (and passports) issued after august 2006 are equipped with an RFID tag. Not only will this RFID chip carry my full name, nationality, ID card number, place and date of birth, length, sex, national ID number, issuing date, expiration date, and even a photo and a signature, it also holds a biometric face measurement, and in 2009 finger prints of two different fingers will be added. Question is, why is nowhere a massive protest taking place? Have we become smart enough not to resort to violence, yet numb enough not to carry out any big protest at all? Or is it that fear mongering blown over from the US has actually caused everyone to think this is a good idea? Or would most people simply not know? Needless to say, the RFID security has already been cracked, and all data can be read out by anyone with a hacker attitude within a 10 meter radius of the card, and possibly larger distances. The data on the card is complete enough to open accounts with financial institutions, borrow money, identity theft, and anything else you can think up. The market has responded and now you can order special RFID blocking card holders, RFID blocking wallets and RFID blocking passport holders. I have ordered 2 RFID blocking card holders myself today. In the last thread, ID cards weren't forced upon everyone in the UK yet, has that changed or does the UK remain one of the last few free places? ____________ Personal website: http://www.loijson.com |
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| June 25, 2008, 20:37 | |
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yonni
None 420 posts |
To the best of my knowledge, they're coming to the UK, just noone's telling anyone because they don't want to make themselves (more) unpopular. Maybe this will change after Gordon Brown is elected out (as I believe he will as he becomes more and more unpopular) and the new government may try and gain popularity by opposing the idea. But to be honest I don't know details I have heard things about passports getting all sorts of other crap on them, which I don't mind too much unless they're RFID or something equally stupid because I never take my passport anywhere (unless going abroad). But again, I don't know details and I could be wrong, maybe someone else does? But to be honest, anyone from the age of 17 can have a perfectly serviceable form of identity in the form of a driving licence photo-card, which isn't technically a form of identification (I believe it's the paper part of the licence that's needed aswell) it's fine for most situations and doesn't put you at the mercy of identity theves. ____________ |
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| June 26, 2008, 00:55 | |
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(. )( .)
top pussy 447 posts 
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No law requires you to carry an ID in Finland. Here driver's license(which looks like a credit card) is the most commonly used ID measure, and is required when driving a car. Other common ID card is KELA(Social Insurance Institution of Finland) card, which usually don't even have a picture. Apparently there is an ID card available, but I've never seen one or heard anyone having it. http://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/ … 6C?opendocument I just got a new passport, will last for next 5 years(cost 46 euros + pictures ffs, before joining the EU I think it was around 16 euros and good for 10 years). There's no chips in it, just my picture, name, date of birth, nothing really. There is available some sort of bio-passport which has more extensive information and otherwise sounds a lot like your RFID thing. I think it's for hippies. ____________ gay |
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| June 27, 2008, 16:23 | |
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Dennis
どこかにいる 2092 posts 
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I have an ID with a chip. I have a copy of my passport and carry that along. If I know that I NEED the chip I bring my real ID. We have a special card (SIS card) for medical stuff in case something happens. It contains stuff like allergic information... i.e. My mother is allergic for peniciline. If she gets another shot of it, she'll go into shock and die. I'd NEVER walk around with a Radio Frequency ID in my pocket. Remember: Big brother is already watching you. ID or no. ____________ Kwakkel |
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| June 29, 2008, 16:52 | |
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Mezzmer
Square-theorist 792 posts 
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all i can say is they haven't got this anywhere near started in the UK yet. the only time i need ID is getting into clubs or making applications for something. it must be a pain for the police in europe when british football hooligans go nuts - bung them in jail that bit faster i say! one good point: people here moan about immigrancy (particuarly racist or otherwise thick) and don't even think about ID cards or anything up-to-date like this to stop the ILLEGAL immigrants. they just moan instead because they are thick. big brother is a tad easier on us in that respect, in fact the reason we didn't get ID cards yet is because people moaned about it. that and Blair having green blood. ____________ |
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| June 29, 2008, 18:21 | |
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yonni
None 420 posts |
To be honest, I would never support an ID card scheme, especially as it would be A) compulsory and B) would cost. Making people pay for something that few people actually want is a really shit idea
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| June 30, 2008, 01:26 | |
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Dennis
どこかにいる 2092 posts
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Two remarks though? - How do they prove you really raped that bitch? - How do you prove you're 31 when you go to a pub? Btw: it doesn't matter you want it or not? Do you think we live in democracy? Fair? My ass. Government does what they want. Who gives a damn really. You'll still die of cancer in 12 years. Really. Don't hope for a long life. You're death sentenced anyway because you're born. Jump under a train and swear at Jesus or something before it's too late! ____________ Kwakkel |
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| June 30, 2008, 16:55 | |
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Rincewind
programmer 1545 posts
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So then Finland and the UK still respect individual liberties when it comes to this, very well. Quoting Dennis: I have a copy of my passport and carry that along Does that count as a legal method of identification in Belgium? Quoting Square: one good point: people here moan about immigrancy (particuarly racist or otherwise thick) and don't even think about ID cards or anything up-to-date like this to stop the ILLEGAL immigrants. I recently read that the reason for this whole ID identification affair is indeed mainly to locate illegal immigrants, to keep them outside of the EU or to lock them away, and not so much to fight crime. Apparently under new EU legislation illegal immigrants can be kept under bars for up to 18 months, without these people having ever done something wrong. Oddly repressive world we live in these days. ____________ Personal website: http://www.loijson.com |
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| June 30, 2008, 20:40 | |
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Dennis
どこかにいる 2092 posts
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Quoting Square: one good point: people here moan about immigrancy (particuarly racist or otherwise thick) and don't even think about ID cards or anything up-to-date like this to stop the ILLEGAL immigrants. If you stop the illegal immigrants, they swim back to belgium.  Quoting Rincewind: So then Finland and the UK still respect individual liberties when it comes to this, very well. Quoting Dennis: I have a copy of my passport and carry that along Does that count as a legal method of identification in Belgium? No it doesn't. Why should I care? I'm young and I know that I'm aroused! [Edited on June 30, 2008 by Dennis] ____________ Kwakkel |
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| June 30, 2008, 20:57 | |
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Rincewind
programmer 1545 posts
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Because if they aren't accepting your copy as identification, you might as well leave the copy at home too. (..)
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| June 30, 2008, 23:30 | |
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Mezzmer
Square-theorist 792 posts
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Quoting Dennis: How do they prove you really raped that bitch? when did this become a forum for deep south us alcoholics? ____________ |
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| July 1, 2008, 21:18 | |
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OScoder
None 1338 posts |
Quote: In the last thread, ID cards weren't forced upon everyone in the UK yet, has that changed or does the UK remain one of the last few free places? They aren't forced on us yet, and the scheme seems to have go a bit more relaxed than what it was going to be. See http://www.ips.gov.uk/identity … livery-2008.pdffor instance. The thing I'm most worried about though is the national identity register - given our government's past record, I doubt that it will be as secure as it ought to be. Quote: The market has responded and now you can order special RFID blocking card holders, RFID blocking wallets and RFID blocking passport holders. I have ordered 2 RFID blocking card holders myself today. I remember reading that RFID could be disabled, through use of a hammer  . That may work out a little cheaper than a card holder :-).OScoder ____________ om |
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| July 1, 2008, 22:23 | |
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Eckolin
Quite Whiskered 388 posts 
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Quoting OScoder: I remember reading that RFID could be disabled, through use of a hammer . That may work out a little cheaper than a card holder :-).OScoder Doesn't that invalidate the card? ____________ Maker of Games... Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Need help with coding? I probably wrote something similar. |
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| July 1, 2008, 23:28 | |
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OScoder
None 1338 posts |
Quote: Doesn't that invalidate the card? I was thinking of passports - you could still use it just the same as a paper one, but the RFID functionality would go. That said though, it may have been changed since: the article was a while back. ____________ om |
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